{"id":2984,"date":"2014-09-22T17:32:51","date_gmt":"2014-09-22T17:32:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/?p=2984"},"modified":"2014-09-22T17:32:51","modified_gmt":"2014-09-22T17:32:51","slug":"reducing-the-cost-of-forensic-investigation-its-being-done-now-by-default-not-by-plan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/2014\/09\/22\/reducing-the-cost-of-forensic-investigation-its-being-done-now-by-default-not-by-plan\/","title":{"rendered":"Reducing the cost of forensic investigation &#8211; it&#8217;s being done now by default not by plan"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I\u00a0had an idea recently about how\u00a0counsel can reduce the cost of forensic engineering investigation &#8211; in a planned way.\u00a0 Some of you are actually doing it now\u00a0but by default &#8211;\u00a0rather than by plan.\u00a0 You are defaulting to using your\u00a0professional engineer\u00a0as a consulting expert\u00a0rather than as a testifying\u00a0expert &#8211; but doing this years after you take the case (Ref. 1)<\/p>\n<p>My thoughts were driven by how counsel\u00a0are reacting to the\u00a0early costs of an investigation.\u00a0 Also how geotechnical engineering &#8211; a specialized field\u00a0in civil engineering,\u00a0reports on\u00a0the geotechnical investigation of\u00a0foundation soil\u00a0conditions.\u00a0 (I specialized in\u00a0geotechnical and foundation engineering work for quite a few years)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><strong><em>Factual and interpretative reports in engineering<\/em><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Two types of report can be issued in geotechnical work: &#8211; a <em>factual report<\/em> and an\u00a0<em>interpretative report<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>(Stay with this; it does relate to civil litigation quite quickly)<\/p>\n<p>A <strong>factual report<\/strong> gathers together all the data\u00a0from the\u00a0office, field, and laboratory investigations and submits this to the client &#8211; without analysis and interpretation.<\/p>\n<p>An <strong>interpretative report<\/strong> analyses and interprets\u00a0this data and draws conclusions on the\u00a0foundation soil\u00a0conditions and their significance\u00a0to the design engineer.\u00a0\u00a0The latter\u00a0can be quite comprehensive, particularly if\u00a0foundation conditions are complex.<\/p>\n<p>The cost of\u00a0a factual\u00a0is\u00a0easier to predict and control.\u00a0 The cost of\u00a0an interpretative report\u00a0is difficult to predict and control.\u00a0 Sometimes very difficult because you don&#8217;t know what you are going to find\u00a0at the site of\u00a0an\u00a0engineering failure or\u00a0accident\u00a0if you follow the evidence. (Ref. 2 and 3)<\/p>\n<p>Geotechnical clients will actually specify the\u00a0type of report they want, a factual report\u00a0or an interpretative report.\u00a0 This is quite prevalent in the U.K. and followed at times in Canada and the U.S.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><em><strong>Factual\u00a0reports in civil litigation, by default; not so good<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>I see something like this happening\u00a0now in civil litigation &#8211; counsel deciding on\u00a0a factual-type report or no report at all.\u00a0 But, driven by the shock\/surprise at\u00a0the cost of expert services and forensic engineering,\u00a0rather than\u00a0driven according to plan.\u00a0 Particularly when counsel did not confer with an expert at a very early stage of civil litigation and get a feel for these costs. (Ref. 1)<\/p>\n<p>Counsel are sometimes deciding against further investigation when &#8211; I suspect, they see\u00a0investigative costs coming in\u00a0and the worth of the file to the firm being whittled away.\u00a0 They quickly default to using the professional engineer as a consultant rather than as an expert. (Ref. 1)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><em><strong>Factual\u00a0reports in civil litigation, by plan; good<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Counsel\u00a0ask for a preliminary report, a verbal report, or no report at all, relying instead on a verbal discussion of the findings.\u00a0 Some of this reporting is quite factual as opposed to interpretative. \u00a0This is quite okay, but much better if\u00a0it&#8217;s planned at the start of litigation rather than defaulting to this several years down the road. (Ref. 1)<\/p>\n<p><strong>References<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>1. How experts are retained in civil litigation is changing and the changes are good for counsel and the justice system.\u00a0 Posted May 1, 2014 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/2014\/05\/01\/how-experts-are-retained-in-civil-litigation-is-changing-and-the-changes-are-good-for-counsel-and-the-justice-system\/\">http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/2014\/05\/01\/how-experts-are-retained-in-civil-litigation-is-changing-and-the-changes-are-good-for-counsel-and-the-justice-system\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>2. A bundle of blogs: A civil litigation resource list on how to use a forensic engineering expert. Posted November 20, 2013 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/2013\/11\/20\/a-bundle-of-blogs-a-civil-litigation-resource-list-on-how-to-use-forensic-engineering-experts\/\">http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/2013\/11\/20\/a-bundle-of-blogs-a-civil-litigation-resource-list-on-how-to-use-forensic-engineering-experts\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>3.Why the difficulty estimating the cost of forensic engineering investigation?\u00a0 Posted September 1, 2012\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/2013\/09\/01\/why-the-difficulty-estimating-the-cost-of-forensic-engineering-investigation\/\">http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/2013\/09\/01\/why-the-difficulty-estimating-the-cost-of-forensic-engineering-investigation\/<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I\u00a0had an idea recently about how\u00a0counsel can reduce the cost of forensic engineering investigation &#8211; in a planned way.\u00a0 Some of you are actually doing it now\u00a0but by default &#8211;\u00a0rather than by plan.\u00a0 You are defaulting to using your\u00a0professional engineer\u00a0as &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/2014\/09\/22\/reducing-the-cost-of-forensic-investigation-its-being-done-now-by-default-not-by-plan\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2984"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2984"}],"version-history":[{"count":28,"href":"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2984\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3012,"href":"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2984\/revisions\/3012"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2984"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2984"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.ericjorden.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2984"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}